Scammer DomainSecondHand.Com

13) The scammer's "zollinger@toughguy.net and domainsecondhand.com" answer to my questions.

2008-01-19T09:43:00.000-08:00

I have asked him to contact with me with his formal email address as he was a president but I have gotten from his fake email address " zollinger@toughguy.net " and did not answer this email instead I have started trying to get my money back from scammer domainsecondhand.com. Anwyay here is the last email between me and this scammer guy "Zollinger". Next are the emails about how I have gotten my money back.

"

I spent even more money on second appraisal and opt-in list.

Our company works as a contractor of a large corporation in Bern, Switzerland. We don't sell anything online, so there is no need in a web
site.

I have a client who is interested in your domain. However, I will not do any business with you unless you send me your excuses. I'm a reputable business \man in Switzerland and you are the first who called me scammer. Is it a common practice in your country? Do you want me to spread information about it among other businessmen?"

12) My answer upon his scammer "zollinger@toughguy.net and domainsecondhand.com" commision request.

2008-01-19T09:41:00.000-08:00

My answer upon his scammer "zollinger@toughguy.net and domainsecondhand.com" commision request. I was actually realy angry to be scammed and send this email to the scammer.

"Hi,

Are you playing with me ? Are you a scammer?

1) I have already paid $75 because of you, probably you get some commissions for that, do not you?
2) If you say NO, then prove it and buy the name for only €1000 that is even less than 1/3 of appraisal amount.
3) Also, Where are your formal informations? at least your name and surname?
4) Do not you have an email that is related with your company, ITGN Tech, even you are a president?

If you are not a scammer , answer this email immediately with the answer of above questions.

Note:If you continue playing with me I will submit an FTC complaint.

Bad regards,"

11) His answer to me about his appraisal result.

2008-01-19T09:38:00.000-08:00

Here is his appraisal result but again with his fake email address "zollinger@toughguy.net" not from his official address.

"I cannot send this certificate to you, because you may use this appraisal to
promote your name or sell it to somebody else. I can only reveal the final
figure - $5000

Can you give me some time to find a buyer. Then you'll pay me 15% upon sake and we close the deal.

10) My answer after I understand that this guy "zollinger and domainsecondhand.com" are only scammers.

2008-01-19T09:34:00.000-08:00

After I have made some researches about the domainsecondhand.com and this guy, I have found that all of them are part of a big scam system on the net. Actually, when he has said that I can not pay now and I have made another appraisal on another site and waiting for results. I have waken up :), may be a bit late but it is time to get my money back. But before see my response to him.

"Why have not you mentioned your offer upon the appraisal and in which company you used to appraise, also where is their appraisal result?

Please send me your telephone number and lets decide domain name's price, together on the phone.

Also, please provide;

First & Last Name

Organization Name

Address

City, State/Region & Zip/Postal Code

Telephone Number & Email Address

to transfer the domain to your organization.

In addition, if you want me to trust you and continue our negotiation, please reply me with your formal mail address (related with your company), not this one .

Sincerely,"

9) The scammer's answer upon my appraisal in domainsecondhand.com scammer site.

2008-01-19T09:31:00.000-08:00

I have gotten the following email after I have made an appraisal in "scammer domainsecondhand.com" for my domain name and sent it to Zollinger.

"

Your valuation looks reasonable enough and I agree with it.

To get a fair value I ordered another valuation from different site.

Since it's not smart to rely on one valuation only.

I've got the figure already. It's very close the result of your valuation.

Of course, I expected a lower estimation :-).

Anyway, now I see from different sources that your name has a good
potential.

I cannot pay you right now due to expenses I've made during this holiday. But we can arrange the transaction the next week. How do you want to handle it?

8) My appraisal results in scammer site domainsecondhand.com

2008-01-19T09:26:00.000-08:00

I have made appraisal in domainsecondhand.com and send the results to scammer "Zollinger". Here is my mail.

"Hello,

I have gotten the appraisal result as you see in the following.

According to their analysis, sharesearch.info makes "$4,900 " that nearly equals to "€3500".
Yazıyı Yayınla
It means, we should adjust the price but I would like to know your offer upon this appraisal.

Best regards,"

7) He, scammer "Mr. Zollinger " has forced me to appraise in domainsecondhand.com guess why?

2008-01-19T09:22:00.000-08:00

He, scammer "Mr. Zollinger " has forced me to appraise in domainsecondhand.com . The mail below is very good prepared by scammer to make us believe that domainsecondhand.com is a realy good appraisal company especially "human appraisal company" :). I just laugh at them and me :). Ok, here is the email that force me to make appraisal in domainsecondhand.com.

"I cannot accept appraisal from accuratedomains.com since I've never heard
about them.

I researched several companies and here are the results:

I wanted to use Afternic.com, but their service is questionable after all.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a
recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630

So we should avoid Afternic.com.

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual since
they are cheap. Nobody will do a research for several bucks. They are just
collecting money using their well-known names.

I asked about other reputable appraisers in a forum. Several experts
recommended me DomainSecondHands' appraisal service -
http://www.domainsecondhand.com/appraisal.htm as a fast, accurate and
non-expensive (about $70 or something like that) manual service.

I also trust the manual appraisal service from http://www.DomainMart.com but
it's very expensive - $200/hour. This service was also recommended by many
people. If you can afford $200 DomainMart.com's fee it would be great. They
also provide cheap automated service but it's not acceptable."

6) As I have not received any company name I have made an appraisal in accuratedomains.com

2008-01-19T09:19:00.000-08:00

As I have not received any company name I have made an appraisal in accuratedomains.com but the answer to my this email was not so good. He started to show his real face in the next email.

"Hello,

I have given a domain appraisal order for "sharesearch.info" to "accuratedomains.com". They informed me that, they will send me the result of appraisal in three to five days. So, I will get back to you as soon as I get the result of appraisal.

Best regards,"

5) His answer to my question about appraisal company.

2008-01-19T09:15:00.000-08:00

He answered my question as below. I do not know why but at the beginning he did not mention directly "domainsecondhand.com", may be he has wanted me to trust him. Anyway, here is his answer.

"This is a regular practice to provide buyers or resellers with professional
and independent valuation. Serious investors must be sure in your price.
Without it they risk to overpay.

Anyway, you won't be able to sell without professional appraisal.

Of course, serious investors cannot accept auto-generated services. They
need an accurate valuation made by humans not scripts."

4) My response to Zollinger (scammer) to learn which appraisal company he wants

2008-01-19T09:12:00.000-08:00

"Hello,

Congratulations, it should be amazing to be a father.

About "sharesearch.info", actually I have bought this and other domain names for my projects
but I decided to sell them and searched the second hand name prices and then sent you these amounts. So, I am not so experienced with selling Domain names.

1) These domain names are for sale without content.
2) I had not evaluated these domain names at past.

Please let me know which domain name appraisal company are you working with or which ones you trust, because I have never worked with them before and have no experience about it.

Best regards,"

3) Scammer's answer to my mail about prices.

2008-01-18T12:15:00.000-08:00

And scammer "Mr. Zollinger" has answered me as below,

"
Hello,

Sorry for delay with reply. Today I became a father. It's an amazing
feeling! It's a boy!

Let's get back to our business

1,000 euro. Ok.

Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?

If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain
appraisals.

Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important
for me in terms of reselling too.

But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will
only accept valuations from independent sources I trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies
in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/720681.htm

Just check this posting.

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15%
discount.

After you send me valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain
it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire
transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
"

He is very clever because first he affects the people emotionally "...Today I became a father. It's an amazing..." :). Then gives some links to be checked like "http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/720681.htm" that consists some conversations about domain sales among this guy "Zollinger" and other 2-3 people. But if you look at "http://domaintalk.ourplace.com", it is closed. So, this guy is using this fake page to make people believe and trust him. Because, in there, it is written that he is making some domain sales with other guys.

Anyway, let us continue the conversations. :)

2) My response to Mr. Zollinger (Scammer)

2008-01-18T12:01:00.000-08:00

I have responded Mr. Zollinger's (scammer) request as below;

"
Mr. Zollinger,

Thank you for your interest.

The price for "sharesearch.info" is "€1000".

But as a second choice, if you want to buy also, "searchshare.info", "searchshared.info", "searchin.info" with "sharesearch.info", the price for all these four domain names is "€3000".

Sincerely,
Firat KARAKUSOGLU
"

1) Mr. Zollinger (Scammer) wants to buy my domain name.

2008-01-18T11:56:00.000-08:00

Hi, the first email that Mr. Zollinger (scammer) wants to buy my domain name by sending the following email.

"

from

ITGN Technologies

Hello,

We are interested in sharesearch.info

Your name was listed for sale. Please let us know your price.

Our works in information technology industry. Our clients are mainly from Europe, Australia, USA and Canada.

So investing in names is just a part of our investment strategy.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Armin Zollinger
President
ITGN Technologies
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Small Story About Online Scam

2008-01-18T11:39:00.000-08:00

Hi, in this blog I am going to share my own expreinces about online scam. As you can understand from the name of this blog, I have been also scammed by these guys "domainsecondhand.com" like many other people.

Now, I think it is the time to stop these scammer people by sharing our own expreinces and taking actions against their scam activities.

Actually, I am going to share my conversations (emails) with these guys "domainsecondhand.com" from the beginning that a guy wants to buy one of my domains untill the end that I have gotten my money back. :).

You will see the first conversation in the next post.

I hope you will enjoy and learn lots of thing by reading this small scam story.